Pope Francis Calls Out Mark Driscoll And John MacArthur

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Ok, so technically Pope Francis didn’t specifically call out Mark Driscoll and John MacArthur by name.

But given their recent dustup and given Driscoll’s never ending rants about the roles of men and women and MacArthur’s damning everyone to hell whom he thinks is too energetic in church and given their shared “my way or the highway (to hell)” approach to Christianity over issues that have very little to do with the gospel of Jesus it’s hard not to think of Driscoll and MacArthur (and the rest of us in the church who do the same) when you read what Pope Francis had to say in a recent radio interview,

The faith passes, so to speak, through a distiller and becomes ideology. And ideology does not beckon [people]. In ideologies there is not Jesus: in his tenderness, his love, his meekness. And ideologies are rigid, always. Of every sign: rigid. And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’ The knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and also moralistic knowledge, because these close the door with many requirements… The faith becomes ideology and ideology frightens, ideology chases away the people, distances, distances the people and distances of [sic] the Church of the people. But it is a serious illness, this of ideological Christians.

Have I mentioned lately how much I love this new pope?

 

124 Comments
  • Micah J. Murray
    October 21, 2013

    i have been misled by your misleading headline. i am dissapoint.

    • Peter McCombs
      October 21, 2013

      Micah, do not be disappointed. I believe the author is using a rhetorical device to contextualize Pope Francis’ remarks. You see, many people agree with the pope up until the moment his principles are brought down into the real world and are applied to real situations.

      • andrew123456789
        October 21, 2013

        Exactly. I thought it was pretty clever.

      • Micah J. Murray
        October 21, 2013

        Mostly I was just teasing Zack… and i really DID hope that the Pop had called them out by name, because that would have been EPIC! =)

        • jay
          November 5, 2014

          That would have made them REALLY famous… Or infamous.

      • Micah J. Murray
        October 21, 2013

        To clarify, I was disappointed that the Pope didn’t actually name names, not with Zack. I’m all in favor of misleading headlines, in practice.

      • Steve
        October 21, 2013

        I believe the author is using a shocking title to get more views.

    • charltonlaw
      October 22, 2013

      As a european it was obvious Pope Frances would never name Macarthur or Driscoll – why would he have any idea who they are?

      Fantastic quote but disappointing Evo/ US centred headline

      • zeemastermind
        October 23, 2013

        the Pope isn’t European, he’s from Argentina, which makes him South American, so now ya know 😉
        Yes I agree, fantastic quote

        • charltonlaw
          October 24, 2013

          woops – I knew that:-) the point was the assumption that macarthur and driscoll are high in the consciousness of the global church!

    • hatmatrix
      October 23, 2013

      OM Gah!!! ME TOO! I thought it would have been epic he did call them out by name. But then I’d be disappointed that he actually knew who they were by name. 🙂

      the headline was misleading but it got me to read it. “Thanks Zack for misleading me into truth.”

  • mhowarth
    October 21, 2013

    Your headline is a lie and thus devalues the actual worth of the truth spoken by the Pope. You may get clicks but it will cost you credibility.

    • ZackHunt
      October 21, 2013

      A lie? Really? I think you’re missing the point….and the actual worth of the truth spoken by the pope.

      • davidbrock
        October 21, 2013

        No… It’s a lie….

        • ZackHunt
          October 21, 2013

          You guys realize this isn’t a news site, right? Do you leave these sorts of comments over at The Onion too?

          • mhowarth
            October 21, 2013

            I understand, and after reading your About page, I think I better get what you’re trying to do here. But I don’t envy the needle you must have to thread on a constant basis.

            That is, The Onion has the headline and article drenched in satire. In that way, your headline is very funny. On the other hand, your article is actually a reflection on truth (not drenched in satire).

            That’s a tension you must deal with often. I admire your efforts.

      • mhowarth
        October 21, 2013

        Hi Zack. Yes, and I’m not trying to troll you here. The reason many people will click that link is the novelty of the Pope responding to specific evangelicals, which is not true.

        Seeing the end (the Pope’s good point) is distorted by a false and manipulative means. It’s not necessary. I’m a copywriter. I write headlines everyday, so I know the temptations that come along with trying to get attention in a crowded online sphere.

        The same effect could be accomplished truthfully by saying “How Pope Francis Might Respond to Mark Driscoll and John MacArthur.”

        I do appreciate that you’ve brought contrast to the Strange Fire debate by displaying the Pope’s perspective on ideology in general. i.e. I don’t think the angle of the post is off base. It’s very helpful. So thank you for that.

        • andrew123456789
          October 21, 2013

          It’s a literary device and I found it very effective. Do we really live in such a dry, legalistic age?

          • mhowarth
            October 21, 2013

            But without legalism, blog comment fields would be a wasteland of reason and logic where truth would actually be found, respect would be given, and solutions would be stumbled offered. It’s a necessary evil.

      • Kyle David Greenberg
        October 22, 2013

        I agree with mhowarth on this one.

        Did the Pope actually call out Driscoll and McArthur? No, no he did not. He said something vague, and the author of this post decided to apply the spirit of the Pope’s message to a specific situation, that the Pope may not have intended it for. That is pretty classic journalistic dishonesty. You’ve clearly put words in the Pope’s mouth.

        Your defensive response about how this isn’t a news site as well as your postulation that the people taking issue with your tactic here are exhibiting a double standard since they probably don’t challenge the veracity of the Onion’s headlines is moot, considering that the Onion is known satire and this article at least appeared to be trying to report actual facts.

        Personally, I saw the title of the post and thought, “Really!? Wow, I want to read what he said”. Then I got here and saw the actual excerpt and thought, “Really!? The author just took the Pope’s quotation way out of context and applied it to the author’s own viewpoint”. Maybe you’re cool with that, and if you are I have no issue with that. But don’t try to act like the Pope actually said what your headline says, and don’t act like it is so unreasonable for people to push back at the authenticity of your headline. Because quite simply put, your headline is inaccurate…bordering deceitful.

  • Marshall
    October 21, 2013

    If you’re focusing on the headline being a “lie”, you’re missing the forest for the trees, y’all. Now, that the body of this post is basically the most intense run-on sentence ever written is something worth getting really worked up about.

    • ZackHunt
      October 21, 2013

      “the body of this post is basically the most intense run-on sentence ever written”

      Um, you’re welcome. It took a good 5 minutes to craft that masterpiece. 🙂

  • Andrea
    October 21, 2013

    I am embroiled on a forum about this subject… but really thought the way you wrote it up was funny. I was like whew…so glad he didn’t call them out by name, we don’t need the headlines… two extremists in the church trying to sell books by bashing each other….

  • Tim Ghali
    October 21, 2013

    I admire the new pope too. Love what he’s saying here on the nature of ideology. It’s worth noting that so many of us Protestants value Pope Francis so much more than a host of evangelical leaders like Driscoll and Robertson – these are interesting times.

    • LK
      October 22, 2013

      Tim, have you ever thought about becoming Catholic? In college I left my non-denominational church because I sensed something important was missing from my faith… and I was surprised when I eventually felt God leading me into the Catholic Church. Since I came into the Catholic Church 4 years ago, I have experienced such a profound a deep experience of faith like never before. Truly, it is receiving and meeting Jesus in the Eucharist that changed it all for me. It is something that can only be experienced, not explained. Anyways, just a thought 🙂

      • Jon
        October 24, 2013

        Me too!

        In RCIA RIGHT NOW!

        Evangelicals it’s time to come home to Rome, the reformation is over.

        No need to follow popes MacArthur or Pope Driscoll

        (Make no qualms that is exactly what they are)

        They have neither the historical pedigree nor biblical basis for their authority.

        • mason
          October 27, 2013

          Dude the Pope is a blasphemous heretic. Get out of this whore.

          • Jon
            October 27, 2013

            If someone who preaches Gods love and mercy and commits his life to serving Christ is a whore then I want to be a whore.
            I will pray for you.

          • jake
            October 28, 2013

            Like, the page is a whore? And who is dude the pope?

        • EMC
          November 30, 2015

          Too creepy

      • Tim Ghali
        October 25, 2013

        Hey LK, pardon my delay here. Certainly I’ve paused and considered other traditions over the years (RC, Orthodox, etc.) but I’ve found myself committed to the Protestant tradition and appreciate celebrating the beauty and passion found in others.

      • jay
        November 5, 2014

        Funny the Lord did the exact opposite with me!

      • bulldogmom
        August 3, 2015

        I feel the same was LK and Jon. I attended Catholic mass for years without anyone knowing I wasn’t Catholic. The presence of the Holy Spirit was in those meetings so strongly that I knew the Lord had His hand on that church. I have so often considered joining, but I’m still praying about it. To those who have left evangelistic and/or Protestant faiths, don’t be afraid of what you have done in choosing Catholicsim.

    • bulldogmom
      August 3, 2015

      I, too LOVE the Pope, and I’m Baptist. He’s the greatest Christian leader of our times, and truly exemplifies Christ.

  • AssumedName
    October 21, 2013

    Looks like he’s been reading a bit of Bercot (“Will the Theologians Please Sit Down?”).

  • Elaine Kelly
    October 21, 2013

    Ideology is another word for religion ! Jesus never taught nor practiced a religion. Religious people follow Ideologies … not knowing Jesus as a personal friend. The religious are all pointing fingers at others in judgement .. just the way the pharisee did in the Day of Christ. The Message is clear and simple… Its all about Grace. His unfailing love for ALL mankind…. Love is what conquers !

    • Mechelle
      October 22, 2013

      I completely agree with the Grace and Love part, but I disagree that Jesus never followed a religion. He practiced Judaism even while he called out their leaders for their errors, etc.

      • Elaine Kelly
        October 22, 2013

        actually Jesus followed Jewish Tradition.. he Never followed a religion ! The religious Jews are the ones who put him to death…. Religion Has nothing to do with a life IN Christ 🙂

        • Elaine Kelly
          October 22, 2013

          Wrong again.. Jesus Has NOTHING to do with MAN made religion.. but believe as you choose.

          • Katrina
            October 22, 2013

            I’m sorry but you need to look up some basic historical information about Jesus and Judaism. It’s not a secret that he practiced religion…and established one himself–Christianity.

        • Karen
          October 28, 2013

          Actually, it seems to me in the sense Mechelle intends it, “practicing Judaism” and that Jesus “followed Jewish Tradition” likely mean the same thing. You don’t seem to want to deny that Jesus followed Jewish Tradition (and I agree), so perhaps you all need to clarify your terms before you assume you really have a difference of perspective here.

    • Lindsay
      October 22, 2013

      You are very mislead my dear friend!! In fact, Jesus was a very orthodox Jew. He practiced his Jewish religion faithfully and never condemned religion or religious hierarchy. What he DID do was call out the religious leaders and others who were hypocritical and followed ideology rather than God the Father of love. Jesus founded a church and established leaders to carry it on before he ascended into heaven. The only reason we even have the Bible today is because of the early Church leaders… you see, the Bible wasn’t even put together until the end of the 4th century. We have Jesus to thank for establishing a Church that would protect God’s truths and pass them down from generation to generation. So actually, Jesus loves religion
      🙂

      • POD
        October 23, 2013

        No church preserved the Bible, the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus to carry the church on thru many dark ages while the church did it’s best to eradicate God,Jesus and Holy Spirit and the word of God.. Thru it all Holy Spirit not the Catholic Church preserved His Word and His church.

  • Dustin
    October 21, 2013

    The Headline Police have missed fact that incompetent Christians put men in power to hold their hand and tell them how to live and serve God, for a nominal fee of coarse.

    • Rachel
      October 22, 2013

      Have you ever heard of the term Apostolic Succession? Might want to look it up! But to politely answer your question, Catholics don’t think the Pope is “more special than any other Christian.” That’s a very common misconception. The Pope is a sinner, just like any man. However, Catholics do believe that Jesus established his apostle Peter as his “prime minister” to watch over and protect his Church, his kingdom on earth for when he would ascend into heaven. He also gave Peter specific authority in this role, as the rock on which he would build his Church. It’s all there in Matthew 16. In addition, it’s clear that Jesus intended for that authority of the apostles to be passed down through the generations as can be seen in Acts when they replace Judas. It’s very interesting stuff! You should read into it. http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/peter’s-authority

      • Dustin
        October 23, 2013

        The ‘rock’ was the revelation that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. “Upon this ‘rock’ I will build my church”

        Jesus himself is the chief cornerstone. We don’t need a ‘prime minister’ of the faith. And the pope is far from humble, parading around and sitting on a throne!!

      • Robert Smith
        September 16, 2014

        I would disagree with the popular protestant teaching – I agree that Peter was the rock Jesus referred to (sorry Nicholas). However, there is no apostolic succession taught in the Bible. There is not even a hint of it, especially as it relates to a head of the church following Peter’s lineage. Judas’ replacement is in no way a teaching for us to follow – the specific scripture Peter refers to says that the wicked man must be replaced.
        Jesus did indeed build the church upon Peter’s preaching and healing. Then He continued it through Paul, as well as other disciples (at the same time). If there was an intent to have an office of pope, it would have been defined more than “replace the wicked man”.

        I might be persuaded to think differently if I saw 12 church leaders walking around healing people – with their shadows. (Peter did not have authority over the other disciples. Look at his disagreement with Paul)

  • James
    October 21, 2013

    I agree with the content of the post… Except the Pope would never do what the writer did–that is name names. Condemn specific people. Use sensationalism to get a point across. No need to. What he said was potent enough.

    • Dustin
      October 22, 2013

      What’s wrong with naming names?? I think that if a man or woman stands on an elevated platform behind a podium and act as mediators between God and humanity, and that person is out of line, they should be called out.

      Why else do you think frauds and thieves like Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis and thousands of others are able to operate without impunity and abuse their 501c3 tax exempt status?

      Those who speak falsehood and error should be called out.

      • Karl Nilsson
        October 22, 2013

        >man or woman stands on an elevated platform behind a podium and act as mediators between God and humanity, and that person is out of line, they should be called out.

        like….a Pope?

        • Dustin
          October 22, 2013

          Lol yeah. Don’t forget that after the Protestant reformation pastors became the new popes.

          • Robert Smith
            September 16, 2014

            Of the 40+ pastors I know, not a single one would put his words on the same level as Scripture. Not a single one would claim to be able to forgive sin. Not a single one would claim you must be a part of his church to be part of God’s family.

            There is a huge difference between the position of pope and protestant pastors.

          • Nicholas
            October 21, 2014

            True, however you are missing the point. All pastors act as mediators between God and humanity. They still exercise authority over God’s people. They still believe they they have some special ability to hear the voice of God that others do not have. In other words, many believe that in order for their members to hear a lesson, or hear what God is saying they must hear it from the pastor because “God puts pastors over God’s people”.

  • Tim Barnes
    October 21, 2013

    Yea, this coming from the Leader of Rome….nothing required to be a good, self righteous Catholic…with more rules, payoff and phony Theology than you can shake a stick at……pay no attention to that man behind the Curtain….Ugh!

  • Joe HMAR
    October 22, 2013

    I see no connection with the article and the headline. 🙁

  • jim
    October 22, 2013

    MacArthur does something the pope will never do, and that is give a careful, verse by verse teaching of the Bible. The pope would be well advised to emulate MacArthur…

    • Karen
      October 22, 2013

      I’m amazed at the hubris of this statement. I do not agree with all the Roman Catholic teaching about the office of the Pope, nor do I believe every Pope is of equal stature in terms of his integrity as a Christian (and historically, many have had no such integrity at all), but I’m pretty confident from what I have read about them that the most recent Popes, present one included, are genuine Christians of much greater spiritual integrity, depth, wisdom and stature than most average Christians I meet (of any tradition including Reformed Evangelicals), and most certainly than myself! It seems to me what you have said carries about the same weight for anyone rooted in spiritual reality as statements to the effect that Mother Theresa could not truly have known or loved Christ because she was a devout Roman Catholic.

      Yes, MacArthur, like many others, gives a careful verse-by-verse exposition of the Bible that still ends up being heretical in many ways because the overall framework and context in which he understands the Scriptures is not identical with that of the Apostles, as he believes. Context is everything. I would rather hear a homily or exhortation like those the Pope gives that are actually rooted in a correct heart understanding of Jesus and the Scriptures and their proper application to our times than a verse-by-verse exposition that is approached through an ideological Reformed theology that does not actually truly correspond to the teaching of the Apostles and their earliest successors, but rather cherry picks their teachings and imposes on the Scriptures philosophical traditions arising in the West rooted in the Renaissance and Enlightenment that are far removed from the mindset and understanding of the Hebrews and first Christians about how truth, especially the truth about God, may be known and experienced.

      There are many Protestants, including Reformed Protestants, contemporary and throughout history, that I admire, but there can be no doubt also the Protestant Reformation, like the corrupt practices of the Medieval Roman Catholic papacy it was trying to address, has borne some unintended ugly fruit as well and has fallen far short of recovering the fullness of genuine Apostolic Christian faith. “By their fruits you shall know them,” Jesus taught. It seems to me this can be applied to teachings themselves as much as those who propagate them who arguably (as in the original context of this verse) should have known better. I can’t say MacArthur should know better. I assume he is just following in good faith a tradition he himself has inherited and in a far different context than the Pharisees of Jesus’ day, so I won’t judge his heart (or anyone else’s), but I believe much of what he teaches is false.

      • Dan
        October 22, 2013

        Right on the button, Karen! I just became a fan of yours.

      • jake
        October 28, 2013

        Karen, you are killing it right now. Keep going.

    • yusuf
      October 22, 2013

      MacArthur does exactly what the extremist do. Gives a careful, verse by verse teaching of the Koran, without love but full of something nearing hate.

      And THAT is not biblical.

    • MorganGuyton
      October 22, 2013

      Actually MacArthur’s exegesis is often very flawed and clumsy. I don’t think any Bible teacher should emulate him. Just because you present yourself with self-assuredness doesn’t mean that you’re right.

    • Jon
      October 24, 2013

      This is unbelievable! The ignorance!

      Pick up his encyclical It is covered in Biblicsl references as is the Catechism and Pope Benedict’s books and encyclicals.

      These comments are reminding me of the reason I left man made evangelicalism.

    • Karen
      October 25, 2013

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but no examples of verse-by-verse exposition from preachers in the Scriptures come to mind either. Jesus definitely used the Scriptures, but it seems to me rarely did He use more than one or two verses to illustrate or back up His point in HIs teaching. Rather it seems to me He was always focused on the meaning of the Scriptures as a whole and their application to His hearers.

  • Karl Nilsson
    October 22, 2013

    Couldn’t this article also be titled “Pope Francis Calls Out Hundreds of Years of Catholicism” ?

    • Topher
      October 22, 2013

      Spot on.

    • Jennifer Constantine
      October 22, 2013

      agreed. I would be surprised if John McArthur and Mark Driscoll were even on his radar.

    • Lindsay
      October 22, 2013

      I understand what you’re trying to say, but I think you’ve missed the mark. Catholicism itself isn’t what you should be criticizing. Both Protestants and Catholics (people) have and do struggle with this tendency towards worshiping an ideology or morals over having a personal, authentic relationship with God. Pope Francis is simply pointing out the problem of the many people who call themselves Christians but are not true disciples of Christ.

      • mason
        October 27, 2013

        oh you mean like the Pope?

  • Topher
    October 22, 2013

    I cannot even fathom him saying something more hypocritical. I mean…is
    there a religion in the world that is more of an ideology than Catholicism? I mean, they practically worship Mary. I don’t even need to touch on their extreme practice of idolatry and legalism.

    Trust me though, I’m not a huge fan of Driscoll or McArthur, even though my church really loves them, but they aren’t what this article made them out to be in my personal opinion.

    With that said, I think what the Pope said is spot on, I just think that it
    loses its value when you consider the perspective it’s coming from.

    • Allen Swain
      October 22, 2013

      If you’ve been paying attention to Francis, it’s pretty obvious that he has been doing everything he can to change the “perspective” the papacy comes from. It’s not hypocritical if you’re living it.

    • Jess
      October 22, 2013

      Where have you gotten your information about the Catholic Church? Other people? I challenge you to do some research and form your own opinion based on facts rather than lies spread through hatred and misinformation. I’m just saying, have you ever actually read about Catholic theology and beliefs? It’s all there in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It’s free online to read on the Vatican’s website. Also, Catholic Answers is a great website if you’re looking to inform yourself. I’m not saying you can’t disagree with Catholic beliefs, but please, do some of your own reading before you make wild statements like that which are not based on facts :-/ http://www.catholic.com/

      • Lol
        October 23, 2013

        Topher has not said anything inaccurate about the catholic church. Perhaps you should accept the same charge of truth seeking. Do some of your own research and apply some reasoning to your beliefs. There is no biblical basis for a pope, the non canonical books the catholic church splices into the word is bad enough. If you give serious consideration to the history of catholicism and it’s origins I can’t see how you can do anything but run for your eternal life.

        • Jess
          October 23, 2013

          To answer your statement, I have done my own research, that’s how I ended up leaving the non-denominational church to become a Catholic. I spent an entire year researching Catholicism before I decided to become Catholic and since then, I have never stopped reading and learning about the Church and her teachings. Trust me, I was not expecting to find the profound truth and beauty that I discovered in the Church. Everything the Church is and practices is Biblical. The Church exists to evangelize, to bring us closer to God and allow us to participate in his mission here on earth of bringing souls to him.

          I have a hard time believing that you’ve ever actually read anything factual about the Church by your statement that there is no “biblical basis” for the Pope. The office of the Papacy is entirely biblical… look it up or read a book on early Church history. The only reason we have the Bible today is because of the Church Christ himself established before he ascended into heaven. Before the Bible was put together and authorized by Pope Damasus and the bishops in the late 4th century, all we had to go by was Sacred Tradition, which Jesus endorsed to pass on the Gospel message along with the use of Scripture. That Sacred Tradition was protected and continues to be protected by the hierarchy, or leaders, of the Catholic Church today. Christ didn’t intend to leave us hanging, he made sure to establish leadership that would protect his truths and pass them onto generations so that more souls could be saved. Interesting enough, the Catholic Church has lasted for 2,000 years since it began… doing those exact things.

          After the books of the Bible were chosen, they lasted for 1,200 years until the reformation, which was when several of the books were actually REMOVED by protestants from the original canon. The Catholic Church uses the same books in the Bible today that were first established in the very beginning of it’s origins by the first Christians.

          I’m not saying this to be a smart-aleck, I’m genuinely asking that you read into these things that you’re assuming about the Catholic Church. It’s honestly not what you think it is, and, like me, you might find yourself surprised by the truth you discover after you do your own research. Since I came into the Church 4 years ago, I have experienced a deeper, richer relationship with Christ through my participation in the Holy Sacraments that unite me closer to him. My walk with Jesus is stronger than ever–not because of me, but because of his grace and mercy. I’m not saying that Catholics are better in any way than Protestants or anyone else for that matter. I am a wretched sinner! But praise be to God for Jesus Christ and his merciful love. Continue seeking the truth, my friend!

          • bulldogmom
            August 3, 2015

            Amen, and amen!!

        • Daniel Barea
          March 29, 2014

          Amen!!!!!!!

      • Van
        October 23, 2013

        Jess said, “I’m just saying, have you ever actually read about Catholic theology and beliefs? It’s all there in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.” Well, Jess, that’s just the problem. It may be found there in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church,” but we’d like to see it in the Bible if that’s alright with you.

      • mason
        October 27, 2013

        Um. the Bible. that’s where. Catholicism is not Biblical. in many ways. it’s teaches heresy and unbiblical nonsense. you obviously don’t understand the Bible or real theology.

        • Jon
          October 28, 2013

          Says someone who relies on the tradition of the Catholic Church to have a Bible.

        • Daniel Barea
          March 29, 2014

          Amen!!!!!

      • Daniel Barea
        March 29, 2014

        I have read and read theology and catholic shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath brother…the more the research the scariest it gets. Counsel of Trent. Read Romans and them the whole Counsel of Trent. It is not hidden obvious. The previous popes know that but no ones has changed it. The scriptures teach saved by grace alone through faith alone by Christ alone. Period. Now go read the counsel of Trent and see if I’m wrong. You don’t choose salvation God chooses you.

    • wildfire69
      October 23, 2013

      spot on. i grew up catholic and left in my 20’s outta pure boredom. i didn’t know jesus was still alive till many years later. it was all repetitive recited chanting prayers. novenas, rosaries, sacraments. legalism. didn’t hear the gospel of jesus till many years after i left. not bitter, just saying how it is. btw i kinda like this new pope tho.

      • LoveThyNeighbor
        October 24, 2013

        wildfire69:
        I am very mind-boggled that you would have attended a Catholic church, but
        never knew that Jesus was still alive, nor had you ever heard the Gospel of
        Jesus, until after you left the church. I am a 46-year-old “cradle”
        Catholic, and although I did not understand it all at a younger age, it did
        take time for me to mature into my faith (just as other Christian denominations
        or Open Bible or non-church going believers must do). With the utmost respect
        to you, my take on your not knowing is that you left in your 20’s out of
        boredom, so I wonder if you attended Mass regularly, if you attended RE, if
        your family talked about the faith outside of the church, etc.

        I state this, because the
        Catholic Church teaches about the Resurrection of Jesus. Every Easter Season we
        gloriously celebrate this! We are taught from birth that Jesus is with us
        always, and that he “lives” in Heaven. Any time Mass is celebrated,
        there is always a reading from the Gospels. The Homilies are focused on either
        the Gospel, or a current event….. which my Protestant friends also hear a
        similar message from their ministers…… albeit not the exact Gospel that the
        Catholic church will be hearing on a particular Sunday. I will state, that when
        I was younger, Bible Studies in our church were far a few between.
        However, the different churches I have been a member of (military – so
        changed our Catholic church every time we moved) over the past 26 years, have
        had a routine Bible Study or other groups for parishioners to get involved in
        to learn and grow.

        I have a couple of comments regarding comments I hear/receive stating that the
        Catholic Church “almost worships” or “worships” Mary and/or
        the Saints. We actually HONOR Mary as the Mother of Jesus. Just as anyone who
        dearly loves and appreciates their own Mother, we show our love, respect, and
        appreciation by telling her we love her, giving her gifts such as flowers (the
        May Crowning of Mary or presenting her with flowers on Mother’s day), etc. And,
        we know that it is stated that we “pray” to Mary and the Saints, when
        we are only supposed to pray to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. Well, when it is said
        that we “pray” to Mary, it is a simple play in words. We are actually
        speaking to her (or the Saints), ASKING that she intercede for us to her son,
        Jesus. I know…. I know…. many people believe you do not need her
        intercession. However, do you ever ask someone to pray for you, or do you tell
        a friend/loved one that you will pray for them? Why isn’t this the same thing?
        The pure fact that you are asking a friend to “pray” (or intercede)
        for you, does not mean that you do not trust/believe that you cannot only go to
        God/Jesus. We have a 19 year-old man (he actually just turned 20 this past
        week) in our community who has been going through a battle with cancer. Is he
        not supposed to ask people to pray for him? Of course, he can simply go to God
        in prayer and realize that he alone can pray to God and receive mercy,
        blessings, healing, etc. But, isn’t there awesome power in prayer? Then, why
        can we not go to the woman who loves Jesus and knows Jesus so intensely more
        than any other human being! Why can we not go to the woman who is loved and
        deeply cared about by her beloved son? Jesus will take his mother’s
        intercessions, and work HIS will! NOT Mary’s will, but HIS will.

        Oh, and the hang up that people have that we are cannables if we believe we are
        truly receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus. Well, the Gospel readings share
        Jesus as saying “take and eat, this IS my Body; take and drink, this IS my
        Blood”. It does not quote him as saying “take and eat; take and
        drink….. this is a SYMBOL or REPRESENTATION….. of my Body; of my Blood. He
        says this while they are gathered around the table at the “Last
        Supper” that they shared with Jesus before he was crucified. Did you know
        that the Altar table at which the Priest prepares the Body and Blood IS the
        table we the living Disciples gather around at the Mass to share in the Last
        Supper? We GET TO SHARE in the LAST SUPPER every time we participate fully in Mass.
        By the way, I recommend the book “The Lamb’s Supper” written by Scott
        Hahn. Scott Hahn had set out to prove the errors of the Catholic Church. Little
        did he know that what he was embarking upon would lead him to becoming one of
        the most awesome and inspired living Disciple of Christ.

        Regarding our worshiping statues. Did you know that the Romans had statues made
        in order to honor their great leaders, etc.? I wonder why? I believe it was
        because photographs had not been “discovered/created”. Therefore, to
        Catholics, statues are used in the manner that we use a photograph of our loved
        ones, leaders, hero’s, etc. And just as we prominently place the pictures of
        our most loved and precious family members, friends, etc., we place statues in
        a place of honor or respect in the church or in our homes. Now, the Byzantine
        Rite of the Catholic church actually uses icons more than statues. Why? Because
        in their time of building churches, etc., they had icons/paintings created.
        These icons were then placed in the church or homes just as we place
        photographs of loved ones.

        And now, some of you are probably saying, “what is this Byzantine Rite of
        the Catholic Church?”. Did you know that after Pentecost, and Jesus was
        assumed into Heaven, the Disciples dispersed into several directions to begin
        spreading the teachings of Jesus? In doing so, they each brought with them the
        basic teachings that Jesus had instructed them as being important to teaching
        his people. Once the Disciples were out doing their individual ministry, they
        incorporated a few differences, dependent upon the language and the time.

        I invite anyone reading this who does not like the Catholic Church, to please
        get some good books or go to appropriate websites to learn about the Church.
        Everything that we do during the Mass has a purpose; and most everything dates
        back to the time of the original Disciples. The way the church buildings were
        designed; why we have Holy Water in the entryway; why we use to have the Altar
        rails, why we have the Crucifix, why we genuflect or why we bow; why we have
        the 7 Sacraments (especially confession and communion), why we recite the
        prayers we do, why do we have the Stations of the Cross, why we have the Pope,
        why we have Priests and Nuns, etc., etc., etc. No, everything in the Catholic
        Church is not perfect. Why…… because of sin, temptation, evil, etc. Do you
        really think that Satan is going to leave the Catholic Church alone if he did
        not believe it was the church started by Jesus? Do you know/understand the
        history of when the Catholic Church was started, and then how many years passed
        before Martin Luther started the Lutheran church (and I do understand why he
        did…… I do not agree with some things going on during that time in how many
        of the Priests and Catholics were behaving). I know I did not do a lot of
        quoting of scripture, but most of the things that the Catholic Church does
        comes from scripture. Then there are a few things that the Church does that
        comes from tradition, passed down from the early Church Fathers.

        I do not agree with things
        that have happened in the Catholic Church in previous years. I am
        heartsick over the young lives that were devastated by the horrific acts put
        upon them by Priests and Nuns. As I stated before, the people of the Church
        are not perfect. However, when we review all of the documentation, knowing the
        history, learning what we can, how dare we shun the Catholic Church – in and of
        itself? It is not the Church that is at fault for the sin done by human
        flesh.

    • Karen
      October 24, 2013

      “I mean…is there a religion in the world that is more of an ideology than Catholicism?”

      I see you’ve swallowed the “koolaid” of historic Protestant propaganda about Roman Catholicism. Or have you perhaps received your instruction about Roman Catholicism from a Jack Chick tract series? I would liken that sort of thing to learning what Christians believe about the nature of the Trinity from a typical Muslim!

      Well, don’t feel too bad. I was drinking a lot of that koolaid, too. It’s hard not to when all the historic distortion is mixed with partial truths. Then I started to study what Christians believed, what they thought the Scriptures meant, and why, from the very earliest centuries. What I discovered didn’t look much like modern day Fundamentalism or Evangelicalism. It looked a lot more like Roman Catholicism (but not its Medieval or modern forms). While there were plenty of corrupt hierarchs during periods when the Church was embraced as the state religion and faith got mixed with politics, the Church of that manifestly more “Catholic” and “Orthodox” period of its history still managed over those centuries to produce a fair number of especially devout members so radically committed to Christ, they came to resemble the prophets of the Scriptures, the Apostles, and Christ Himself to a remarkable degree–IOW it’s produced not a few like Mother Theresa. Yes, definitely a bunch of “idolators” who “practically worship” Mary. I can see it. Yeah, it’s definitely there. But the vast majority of self-described modern “born again” Evangelicals, whose lifestyles, according to Barna Research, show no significant difference from the norms of American culture at large (e.g., divorce statistics, addictions, habits of overconsumption, etc.), are not idolators. No, definitely not because they believe the BIBLE!

      Seriously, though, I was a faithful member of Protestant Evangelical churches for over 40 years. What I’ve learned in all that time is that legalism in its particulars is like a cameleon–it can take Reformed, Presbyterian, Fundamentalist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, Baptist, or “non-denominational” and “free church” forms every bit as easily as Roman Catholic, Lutheran, or Eastern Orthodox (my own spiritual home). This legalism has a propensity to reach “cult-like” proportions more it seems to me in Protestant churches (where accountability is often sorely lacking), than in some of the older Christian traditional churches, where everyone is under another’s authority. I guarantee you even the Pope is accountable to the other bishops of the Church, and he is required to be under obedience to a confessor in terms of his own spiritual life.

      There are also many devout Roman Catholics who are anything but legalistic in their understanding and practice of their faith, but rather who have a depth of love for Christ and others that easily puts most of us to shame. Have you read anything by Henri Nowen, by any chance? Familiar with Dorothy Day? Perhaps you need to widen your perspective a bit.

    • Jon
      October 24, 2013

      Can you say “prejudice”

      Shaking my head

    • mason
      October 27, 2013

      You are absolutely correct. He is a heretic and the Catholic church is a cult.

      • mason
        October 27, 2013

        Well, no I don’t think it’s spot on at all. The strange fire conference was about Biblical doctrine and real illumination on truth. So no, the Pope is full of crap.

      • jake
        October 28, 2013

        It’s very “catholic” of you to go about declaring people as “heretics”- also: how familiar are we with the definition of a “cult”?

    • Christiane
      March 9, 2014

      sounds like you have learned about Catholicism from the likes of MacArthur . . . he’s been known to give out erroneous info . . . an example? he tells his ‘followers’ that Catholics believe that Mary was the product of a virgin birth herself . . . Catholics don’t teach that at all

      if you want to learn about the Church . . . go to the Vatican Catechism web site and find out the correct info . . . there may be much there for you to disagree with, but at least it won’t be mis-information about what the Church really teaches

      • Robert Smith
        September 16, 2014

        So you believe Mary was born from her parent’s sperm & egg? That is, Mary was conceived & born in the same way you & I were?

        I don’t follow MacArthur, but have come across the teaching that Mary herself was “immaculately conceived”, which has no Biblical basis.

        Do you also believe that Jesus’ brothers mentioned in the Bible were Mary’s children, as is the clear intent of the author?

  • SALLYFARRAR
    October 22, 2013

    Who gives a rip about the headlines…..it’s the story that’s interesting.

    Here we have a pope who is seriously deceived.

    Too bad. I had high hopes for the guy.

  • MorganGuyton
    October 22, 2013

    Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit means to discredit the Holy Spirit’s work by calling it demonic (if we’re looking at Mark 3:20-30 where Jesus actually uses the phrase rather than speculating on our own definition). John MacArthur held a conference last week in which he said that charismatic and Roman Catholic Christianity are under Satan’s control. That’s textbook blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. http://morganguyton.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/blasphemy-of-the-holy-spirit-and-john-macarthurs-strangefire-conference/

    • wildfire69
      October 23, 2013

      i don’t think roman catholism has much to do with the holy spirits work. lol

    • Steve67
      October 27, 2013

      That is a gross over-simplification of what Macarthur said. What he meant was that certain elements of Roman Catholic and charismatic doctrine were under Satan’s control. And he provides scriptural support for this. It’s real simple. Jesus Himself said that all scripture testifies of Him and that the Holy Spirit testifies of Him. Where the Catholic church does not point to Christ they are not of Christ. And I believe it works the other way also; blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing to the Holy Spirit something that is of the devil.

    • Jon
      October 28, 2013

      Mac Arthur is his own Pope who builds up his own glory and power. One notch below cult leader. Since he wants the power the Catholic Church is a threat so he lies and twists fables about the church.

  • Nick
    October 22, 2013

    Man, this article lost a lot of credibility for me purely due to the cheap trick headline designed purely to attract click throughs..its a plague in blogging. If you have something genuinely interesting to post, it will attract readers regardless.

  • Jennifer Constantine
    October 22, 2013

    After reading this article, i clicked on the link for Mark Driscoll because I am not familiar with him. But after listening to a 6 minute clip I actually found himself agreeing with what he said about the biblical roles of men and women. Why does the author of the article take issue with him?

    • PamelaMonahan
      October 23, 2013

      Yes, exactly. Being familiar with Driscoll, and the fact that he does nothing in my experience (I’m not a member of his church, but I’ve heard over a dozen of his sermons) BUT talk about Jesus, not ideologies. What ideologies he teaches he always takes back to the Bible and to Jesus. While I think what the Pope said was not wrong, I don’t think it’s really applicable to Driscoll (I don’t really know MacArthur) and that is probably why the Pope did NOT name Driscoll and others– he wasn’t talking about them. This is just the article’s writer being snarky and shocking to get people to read (which I did, I admit) and in doing so basically putting his own negative biases against Driscoll and MacAuthor onto the Pope, who may not share them. (I realize they’re not Catholic, so the Pope isn’t going to agree with everything they say, but if he familiarized himself with them, he might not apply this to them at all. None of us, nor the author, knows.)

  • Robert Pratt
    October 22, 2013

    Why not just simplify a bit further?
    Believe in Jesus and repent… That’s the faith that God is calling for in the New Testament.

  • Paul
    October 22, 2013

    Jesus said to call no man father. Pope is like Papa. Call me an ideologue but I listen when Jesus speaks not when the pope is giving his diatribe.

    • Karen
      October 27, 2013

      Do you also listen when one of Christ’s Apostles speaks? 1 Corinthians 4:15?

    • Karen
      October 27, 2013

      Paul, also, I have read that, historically, in this country prior to the influx of Roman Catholic immigrants from Ireland, it was the Protestants who used the formal title “Father” for their clergy (undoubtedly more aware of Scriptures like 1 Corinthians 4:15 and the context of nuance Jesus’ teaching than you allow). Roman Catholics typically used the term “Master.” However, Irish Catholics used the more intimate and familiar “Father” for their priests. When they began coming in large numbers to this country, Protestants switched to using the terms “Pastor” or “Reverend” to distance themselves from Roman Catholics. Jesus made the same comment about using the term “teacher” in the same context as his prohibition about using the term “father” in the same sense of human leaders, yet I have never heard Protestants object to calling those appointed to a teaching role in their own communions, “teacher.”

    • Jon
      October 28, 2013

      I’m sure you do the same thing when your father is speaking to you or your pastor. What about where Jesus said call no man teacher? Fundamentalist lunacy you show.

  • Cfalcs
    October 22, 2013

    Little ironic that the Catholic Church is now calling out other Christian groups for having too many requirements

  • Tony Houghton
    October 23, 2013

    In our church we call ideologies (a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture) ..the creed. You can’t have a belief system without ideologies

  • Terry
    October 23, 2013

    Of course, this is the very same criticism that has been levelled at the Catholic Church for a long time. Catholic ideology and ritual and misdirected worship has consistently stood between believers and Jesus. MacArthur needs to deal with his blind spot in relation to the continuing work of the Spirit today. Driscoll needs to be less dogmatic on the issue of men ruling in marriage. The Pope needs to clear the clutter from his own strand of the Christian faith.

  • The Irish Atheist
    October 23, 2013

    I really don’t understand the love for the new Pope. I really don’t. Sure, he’s got a great sense of PR and enough worldly wisdom to know that celebrating the ostentatious wealth of the Church like his predecessor isn’t doing the Church any favours in an increasingly digitally linked world. But to praise him, celebrate him, venerate him as the best thing to happen to Catholicism since incense? Why? He’s a good actor, and he has some good speechwriters. Besides that, he has done nothing to mend the incredible hurts perpetrated by the Catholic Church around the world.

    There’s a reason that church attendance has gone down from 78% to 16% in Ireland in the past four decades. It’s because we’re tired of it all. We became tired of Catholic terrorists butchering us on the Vatican’s dime. We are tired of priests raping our children and then being excused and hidden and defended by the men who claim spiritual and moral authourity over us.We are tired of our young women being enslaved in the Magdalene Laundries. We are sick and tired and hurting. And we are done with it all.

    So to have Francis rub our faces in his false piety, in his honey-laced words while he still heads the biggest criminal organisation in the world is simply fuel on the already raging fires around the world. The people whom the Catholic Church has actually hurt get nothing from this. We have no healing or sense of regret from this man. Instead, people like you get to sit comfortably in America and watch the Pope make another flowery speech on television and say ‘Wow! What a good guy! What a fresh face! What humbleness and humility!” And when the rest of us continue to fight against the beast, Francis is a new weapon used against those of us who want justice for what we have lost.

    “But the new Pope isn’t like that! Can’t you see how things are changing!?”

    No, I can’t. Neither can the rest of my people, as our church attendance is evidence of.

    Francis isn’t a saint. And he’s nothing less insidious than what came before. Claws draped in lace are still claws.

  • Batman
    October 23, 2013

    The title of this article is extremely misleading and reflects poorly on a good message trying to be sent by the Pope. You just has easily have said “MacArthur and Driscoll Should Be Listening to What Pope Francis Has to Say” or something like that but you chose to drive a personal agenda. Whether your agenda is just your dislike for those 2 guys, your desire to draw attention to your blog, or just an unintentional miscommunication, I cannot judge, but try to be a little bit clearer

  • Greg Verrall
    October 23, 2013

    Sounds like the author of this post has never spent much time listening to either Driscoll or MacArthur.

  • tfazzo
    October 24, 2013

    with real threats like militant Islam, creeping socialism, moral breakdown, government meltdown, crime and violence, it would seem that there are other targets of greater importance in the battle against the enemy of our souls than those who reside within the walls of the church.

  • Fr. Christopher Pietraszko
    October 24, 2013

    Pope Benedict XVI made this same point several times throughout his pontificate. I’m glad to see this new pope is really not new in his message.

  • mason
    October 27, 2013

    The Pope is a hypocrite. Heretic.

  • mason
    October 27, 2013

    Oh and also, MacArthur and Driscoll are decent teachers, while the Pope speaks blasphemy. Stop worshiping this heretic.

  • mason
    October 27, 2013

    So you guys like all the unbiblical things the Pope says and espouses? Maybe you should examine if you are actually of the Redeemed.

  • Walter Merilic
    October 27, 2013

    If you think John MacArthur was criticizing people for being to energetic, then you missed the whole point of the Strange Fire conference. The Pope believes you only have to do good works and a person sill go to heaven. This is a heretical idea, and is not found in the bible. That is just one of many reasons we shouldn’t give any value to what he says.

  • Ron Valiquette
    October 27, 2013

    The problem with the Catholic Church is they have no leg to stand on since they don’t preach Biblically. Praying to Mary when JESUS said in John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

    Now let’s see what the Bible says about false prophets (as The Catholic Church are):

    1 John 2:19
    They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Matthew 7:15
    Beware ° of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18 A good tree cannot ° bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    • Jon
      October 28, 2013

      How is it you cite these verses as scripture. Without the tradition of the Catholic Church saying they are scripture you would not have them. Further it is clear that you do not know anything about Catholic doctrine. Mary plays no role in my salvation other than to pray for me just as I might ask you to pray for me. Unfortunately these comments prove that Protestant manipulation a of our doctrines and prejudices are still alive and well.

  • Steve67
    October 27, 2013

    This guy obviously is not as familiar with Macarthur or Driscoll as he would have you believe. However I do find Macarthur to be somewhat duplicitious; like for instance in how he will, in one lecture repeatedly cite Martin Luther but then in the next lecture will try to condemn infant baptism. But of course he never mentions Luther there because Luther absolutely believed in infant baptism.

  • Andrew Clover
    October 27, 2013

    No word yet on when pope frankie plans to give up his own ideology.

  • repeater75
    October 27, 2013

    Could that be the same Jesus that slams the bad doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees? The one that gave such hard doctrinal teachings about his exclusivity that thousands of them turned away because they couldn’t stomach what he said to them? This Jesus is loving and humbled himself but He is now the reigning King of the Universe and will return to judge the living and the dead.

  • Rojnut
    October 27, 2013

    Love this quote. I like this Pope too. On a similar subject… http://rojnut.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/labelled-with-love/

  • My Cult Life
    October 27, 2013

    Not loving the headline given that the text has nothing to do with it. On the internet, people only skim headlines, so now you have 33,000 people believing the Pope actually put the smack down on these 2 people.

  • Pastor Paul
    November 5, 2013

    You do realise that the pope is the head of a false religion, that preaches a gospel that is no gospel at all

  • LJ
    April 19, 2014

    Dear Zack Hunt:

    Before you attack Evangelicals, please take the time to read the Bible, and only the Bible, and then compare the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church with the Teachings of the Bible. Then you will see that the Roman Catholic Church is a Cult and every pope and every priest blasphemes God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and will end up in Hell.

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